Tang - Reducing Nighttime Vitals

Tang - Reducing Nighttime Vitals

by Victoria Tang -
Number of replies: 4

The VA Hospitalist group carries 2 acute patients and 8 patients that they have determined are "non-acute" -- usually these patients are awaiting placement.

1. Considering the protocol you are developing: identify the process and outcome indicators associated with the program and briefly describe an approach to measuring each.

Process Indicators: hospitalists use of an order to the likes of "do not perform night time vitals between 2200-0600". We can measure this process indicator in two ways. We can perform a qualitative method in which we discuss with the hospitalists if they are taking into account whether the low risk patient would be harmed or receive no benefit from the night time vitals when they write orders.

 

Outcome Indicators: % low risk patients with nighttime vitals; % patients that did not have nighttime vitals that were transferred to the ICU

We can quantitatively measure this by doing a chart review. Ideally, we would have a risk calculator that would ID those at high risk and low risk for deterioration in the hospital and then measure the % of low risk patients that are receiving nighttime vitals.

2. Define one or more “intermediate” outcome measures (reflecting changes in environment, organizational culture, systems of care, patient or public behavior, and/or clinician behaviors) that can inform you about the mechanism by which your intervention achieves its downstream effect on health inform you about the acceptability of your intervention

clinician behavior: this can also be measured as discussed above with a qualitative method to evaluate whether the clinician individualizes care by taking into account a patient's risk/benefit from night time interventions.

staff behavior: whether there is an order indicating avoiding night time vitals and whether it was performed anyway by the night staff will evaluate whether the staff is recognizing the importance of individualizing care to that patient.

 

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Re: Tang - Reducing Nighttime Vitals

by Christina Mangurian -

I think you are on the right track--especially with the outcome indicators.  But I'm wondering if the process indicator you mention (the order) is more of an intermediate outcome.  You might want to take a step back and gather a process measure like the proportion of providers who attended your "VS education" sessions.  Just a thought to get at whether your intervention impacted their behavior.

 

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by Nicole Ling -

I like that your outcome indicators also have undesireable outcomes (ICU tx). Perhaps you can also calculate % high risk pts without night time vitals - to see where the intervention misfired.

Perhaps process indicators may relate to the proper identification of high and low risk patients, that this process was actually performed, and the percent of providers/nurses that are aware of the intervention being rolled out (like Christina said)

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by Brian -

some additional thoughts

1. process measures -could design a tool on the order set that prompts hospitalist/admitting physician to consider changing to different vs schedule- measure how many patients met criteria, and how many of these did the new vs schedule get changed to. Corrolary could be how many didn't meet criteria but still had skipped nighttime vitals .

Outcome measures- would want to know not just % transferred to ICU as an outcome- perhaps % who had change in v/s from PM and AM (signalling unstable vs) --> could do this by doing chart reviews of percentage of patients and look at differenes between pulse or BP.... 

 

2. intermediate outcomes- would also be interesting to measure- number of times "no nighttime vitals" was ordered, but was changed during the night because of clinical status change, vs nursing concern vs other reasons-- might get more information on what concerns 

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by Lisa Thompson -

I understood the ultimate outcome was to << nighttime VS to improve patients' sleep. May be hard to do, but how could that be measured?